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		<title>Comment on It&#8217;s a really obvious one, but&#8230; by Lissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just writing about this. You&#039;d think that it wouldn&#039;t be a difficult concept to grasp, but noooooo...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just writing about this. You&#8217;d think that it wouldn&#8217;t be a difficult concept to grasp, but noooooo&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on It&#8217;s a really obvious one, but&#8230; by vaca_loca</title>
		<link>http://takebackthenews.wordpress.com/2007/10/21/its-a-really-obvious-one-but/#comment-214</link>
		<dc:creator>vaca_loca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are so right!  I had never really thought about it that way but I&#039;m going to start challenging the use of sex instead of rape!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so right!  I had never really thought about it that way but I&#8217;m going to start challenging the use of sex instead of rape!</p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;m back by commie mutant traitor</title>
		<link>http://takebackthenews.wordpress.com/2007/10/21/im-back/#comment-204</link>
		<dc:creator>commie mutant traitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yay!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Alleged rape victim identified by Victoria Marinelli</title>
		<link>http://takebackthenews.wordpress.com/2007/08/02/alleged-rape-victim-identified/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>Victoria Marinelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 04:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think this was incredibly brave of her, particularly given the way the media frequently treats both rape survivors and sex workers, let alone those who are both.&lt;/blockquote&gt; Well, I heartily second that. 

I just found out about this case (addressed here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://victoriamarinelli.com/main/2007/08/30/gee-why-is-it-women-and-youth-in-the-sex-trade-wont-trust-law-enforcement/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Gee, why is it women and youth in the sex trade won’t trust law enforcement*?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;) and really appreciate your covering it. Howat&#039;s pursuit of the charges (even though unsuccessful, from what I&#039;ve gathered) is something heroic to me. I wish her strength. 

BTW, any further news on this case? Like, as to whether the assailant/police recruit in question will get to return to his career? One article I found - dated August 9th - said that he would &quot;still face an internal tribunal to determine his future&quot; - but I haven&#039;t been able to find out anything else, since.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think this was incredibly brave of her, particularly given the way the media frequently treats both rape survivors and sex workers, let alone those who are both.</p></blockquote>
<p> Well, I heartily second that. </p>
<p>I just found out about this case (addressed here: <a href="http://victoriamarinelli.com/main/2007/08/30/gee-why-is-it-women-and-youth-in-the-sex-trade-wont-trust-law-enforcement/" rel="nofollow"><em>Gee, why is it women and youth in the sex trade won’t trust law enforcement*?</em></a>) and really appreciate your covering it. Howat&#8217;s pursuit of the charges (even though unsuccessful, from what I&#8217;ve gathered) is something heroic to me. I wish her strength. </p>
<p>BTW, any further news on this case? Like, as to whether the assailant/police recruit in question will get to return to his career? One article I found &#8211; dated August 9th &#8211; said that he would &#8220;still face an internal tribunal to determine his future&#8221; &#8211; but I haven&#8217;t been able to find out anything else, since.</p>
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		<title>Comment on %^#@%&amp;^*$^# by Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lawrence:

Leaving aside the way in which her credibility was cast doubt on because she was a sex worker, and the way the justice system is stacked against women who have been raped, I dont think many people believe that people do not get found not guilty of crimes they did commit. The fact that, for whatever reason, the jury was of the opinion that there wasnt enough evidence to prove he did it does not mean that he didnt.

(Please excuse my punctuation - Im using a foreign keyboard)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawrence:</p>
<p>Leaving aside the way in which her credibility was cast doubt on because she was a sex worker, and the way the justice system is stacked against women who have been raped, I dont think many people believe that people do not get found not guilty of crimes they did commit. The fact that, for whatever reason, the jury was of the opinion that there wasnt enough evidence to prove he did it does not mean that he didnt.</p>
<p>(Please excuse my punctuation &#8211; Im using a foreign keyboard)</p>
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		<title>Comment on %^#@%&amp;^*$^# by Lawrence</title>
		<link>http://takebackthenews.wordpress.com/2007/08/01/57/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a strange way you&#039;re quite correct in saying she&#039;s not an alleged victim.  The jury in this case took just four hours to find the accused not guilty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a strange way you&#8217;re quite correct in saying she&#8217;s not an alleged victim.  The jury in this case took just four hours to find the accused not guilty.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Not her fault by Lawrence</title>
		<link>http://takebackthenews.wordpress.com/2007/08/07/not-her-fault/#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has turned out to be a false complaint, with the 16-year-old referred to Youth Aid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has turned out to be a false complaint, with the 16-year-old referred to Youth Aid.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Some thoughts on language by Sandra Dickson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra Dickson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 02:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, great post Anna.  I have just been writing an article for a Women&#039;s Centre newsletter, and due to word space have had to cut a much briefer similar expression of discomfort.  For me, I use cumbersome phrases to get around the fact that victimisation is not the sum total of women&#039;s experiences - and we don&#039;t all survive.  

But yeah, when &#039;survivor&#039; feels appropriate for women that&#039;s great.  Otherwise I write &#039;women who have been raped&#039; - because we are women before we are raped, and I think that phrase, although clumsy catches the acted upon nature.  

RE: the sexual assault comments though - the problem for me is not the association between &#039;sex&#039; and rape - because I still believe that rape is what it is because too many men sexualise power, so sex IS intrinsic to rape.  The problem for me is that sexual assault makes it sound like just another kind of assault.  And of course rape is violence....but I think the fulcrum of male power rests on male appropriation of women&#039;s sexuality...so I don&#039;t believe rape is just another kind of violence.  I believe it is more fundamental than that.  A kind of defining act of male oppression or something.  A refuge for men who cannot be as powerful as they believe they have the right to be - and who become that powerful through rape precisely because they find that sexually exciting.  A choice to be powerful in that instant, at that time.  Or over those hours of planning beforehand.  Mm.  

Depressing.

Anyway, thanks for the post - words fail me often too - especially when I am trying to write respectfully and with truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, great post Anna.  I have just been writing an article for a Women&#8217;s Centre newsletter, and due to word space have had to cut a much briefer similar expression of discomfort.  For me, I use cumbersome phrases to get around the fact that victimisation is not the sum total of women&#8217;s experiences &#8211; and we don&#8217;t all survive.  </p>
<p>But yeah, when &#8217;survivor&#8217; feels appropriate for women that&#8217;s great.  Otherwise I write &#8216;women who have been raped&#8217; &#8211; because we are women before we are raped, and I think that phrase, although clumsy catches the acted upon nature.  </p>
<p>RE: the sexual assault comments though &#8211; the problem for me is not the association between &#8217;sex&#8217; and rape &#8211; because I still believe that rape is what it is because too many men sexualise power, so sex IS intrinsic to rape.  The problem for me is that sexual assault makes it sound like just another kind of assault.  And of course rape is violence&#8230;.but I think the fulcrum of male power rests on male appropriation of women&#8217;s sexuality&#8230;so I don&#8217;t believe rape is just another kind of violence.  I believe it is more fundamental than that.  A kind of defining act of male oppression or something.  A refuge for men who cannot be as powerful as they believe they have the right to be &#8211; and who become that powerful through rape precisely because they find that sexually exciting.  A choice to be powerful in that instant, at that time.  Or over those hours of planning beforehand.  Mm.  </p>
<p>Depressing.</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for the post &#8211; words fail me often too &#8211; especially when I am trying to write respectfully and with truth.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Not her fault by Sophie</title>
		<link>http://takebackthenews.wordpress.com/2007/08/07/not-her-fault/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>Sophie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few years ago there was a woman jogging on her own who was run down by a car, sexually assaulted and murdered.  I was told about this by my employer&#039;s wife, in the name of concern that I might be planning walking alone.  
Of course I was.  By good luck I haven&#039;t been mudered yet, only disapproved of.

Do they need a clue?  If a woman walking alone is attacked, it&#039;s not the woman who was the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years ago there was a woman jogging on her own who was run down by a car, sexually assaulted and murdered.  I was told about this by my employer&#8217;s wife, in the name of concern that I might be planning walking alone.<br />
Of course I was.  By good luck I haven&#8217;t been mudered yet, only disapproved of.</p>
<p>Do they need a clue?  If a woman walking alone is attacked, it&#8217;s not the woman who was the problem.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Some thoughts on language by Maia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 11:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome post

I&#039;ve thought a lot about the problems of &#039;survivor&#039; as well.  Is it putting more pressure on women who have been raped.  There&#039;s this idea that there&#039;s something shameful in the term &#039;victim&#039; - I&#039;m not sure that we shouldn&#039;t be fighting that rather than accepting it.  There should be nothing shameful in being victimised.  Not that I&#039;d force that label on anyone, as you say.  More that we should question why it&#039;s seen as problematic.

So often in the last few days I haven&#039;t had any words either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome post</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve thought a lot about the problems of &#8217;survivor&#8217; as well.  Is it putting more pressure on women who have been raped.  There&#8217;s this idea that there&#8217;s something shameful in the term &#8216;victim&#8217; &#8211; I&#8217;m not sure that we shouldn&#8217;t be fighting that rather than accepting it.  There should be nothing shameful in being victimised.  Not that I&#8217;d force that label on anyone, as you say.  More that we should question why it&#8217;s seen as problematic.</p>
<p>So often in the last few days I haven&#8217;t had any words either.</p>
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